This shouldn't be used for recreation, like, "what
a trip I had." It is for exploring reality, for experiencing
God, coming closer, whatever you want to call it. And I think
that is much healthier. In fact Mircea Eliade, has written the
great standard book on shamanism, and the subtitle is , Shamanism,
a Primitive Way to Ecstasy. it is very interesting that
Eliade sees that because so much emphasis is on using shamanistic
work for healing, or for arriving at decisions, or as a part of
therapy, and actually what you were experiencing was a form of
ecstasy., you perhaps could experience an ecstasy that was more
intense. Maybe. There are degrees of ecstasy, just like sorrow
and joy. What happened with these three people, you with the oceanic
sense, to me that is more and more the goal of the work that I
do, and less and less, learning to get along with your boss, and
making peace with you spouse, and forgiving your mother and all
that stuff. Although that stuff is all there and I think you have
to clean that out at least to a certain point.